Positive Solutions Forthcoming For Away Supporters

It finally looks like we have some positive solutions to the issue surrounding Toronto fans ticketing for the MLS opener on March 19th, and hopefully for all other travelling supporters this season.

Following our blog on Monday, the Whitecaps finally addressed the problems and AFTN had a productive talk with the Whitecaps yesterday surrounding a number of the issues.

As we explained on last night’s It’s Called Football podcast, we’d much rather have a Club that admits they’ve made mistakes, listens and then corrects them than a club that is so pig-headed that it just ploughs on regardless, to everyone’s detriment.

The one thing which the Caps were keen to stress is that they want to welcome all fans. We’re all on the same page here. The Club, AFTN and the Southsiders all want healthy travelling supports at Empire, BC Place and throughout the MLS. It’s how to create an electric, must attend atmosphere and it’s the only way we will truly see the league move on to the next level.

The Whitecaps also confirmed that the Toronto fans will be based in sections 228 and 229. A healthy 250 seats have been put aside for TFC fans and this message has been conveyed to the supporters groups back east.

Tickets for the seats in the TFC area will go on sale on Thursday morning at 10am PST and away fans who are planning to attend the match in a group should call Tom Tompkins on 604 669 9283 (ext 2223) to get their tickets.

What is now important is that BC based Toronto fans also buy seats in that section. The Whitecaps want to point that they reserve the right to move away fans who are sitting in home designated sections, especially the Southside, to ensure a safe and friendly environment for all fans.

Let’s just hope that this message is properly conveyed to PNE security staff.

Another big area of concern to us around ticketing was the Ticketmaster website and the fact that both away support and families could end up unknowingly buying tickets right in the heart of the Southside.

The Caps admit that the current set up of it is not ideal and will be working closely with Ticketmaster to ensure that fans know exactly what kind of section they are buying tickets for. Until this has been done, the Club have tried to address this with an article which went up last night on the official site regarding supporters seating at Empire.

The Club want everyone to know just where the supporters group and the matchday atmosphere is going to be:

“There is no doubt that sections 216 – 222 (where our Southsiders, a South American drum troupe, and other supporters will be) will be among the loudest in leading the cheers at Empire Field, and I encourage everyone to join in. Empire is our home, now let’s get loud Vancouver!”

Carl Valentine explains that the Club want to turn Empire into a fortress. It’s a stadium that’s set up to enable that to happen. We all need to play our part in making that happen. Having the right seating arrangement will be a good start.

Whitecaps Ticketing Issues Just Won’t Go Away

Another week, another load of questions around Whitecaps ticketing issues. I know, we’re starting to bore ourselves with it all now.

Last week we raised the issue of Toronto fan ticketing for our MLS opener on March 19th and when we broke the news that there had been a “communication error” when it came to what section the TFC fans would be in, this was the first that the Toronto fans had heard of it.

Duane Rollins from the 24th Minute blog and It’s Called Football podcast, spoke to a Whitecaps representative last week who said they weren’t worried about pockets of BC based TFC fans being scattered around the stadium and that the concern had been of large groups of TFC fans but this was all in hand. I’m sure this was news to some of the Toronto fans who have been trying to finalise their trips.

All of this was just the latest in a long line of ticketing decisions and problems that have angered Whitecaps fans – and now fans of other MLS teams too.

With so much happening, let’s just bring everyone up to speed…

First there was all the furore about ticket prices, then the problems many fans had with trying to select their seats online through the software in place, followed by the problems of trying to get the Whitecaps to actually take payment for their tickets (I had to wait till mid January before the first half of my order was processed).

We’ve also had the Cascadia away fans ticket limits issue and the initial problems Caps fans had in getting tickets to the Cascadia Summit pre-season tournament in March, when the Whitecaps ticketing department only communicated to fans that they could indeed buy the Vancouver allocation of tickets from them – a week after the general sale had taken place on Ticketmaster.

Then came the Toronto fans ticketing issues around how many tickets they could get, how they could get them, what section they would be in at the stadium and what restrictions would be imposed on them.

Phew!

We should point out here that the individual ticket reps at the Caps have been fantastic, patient and tried to answer everyone’s questions as much as they can. I can’t speak highly enough of them. It’s those higher ups in the ticketing department that need to have a long hard look at themselves.

So on to the latest developments…

As we revealed what seems to have been ages ago now, Ticketmaster were advertising that Whitecaps single game tickets would be going on sale to the general public on Saturday February 19th. This information was later confirmed by the Whitecaps themselves.

However, on Friday afternoon, this all changed and it was announced that the general sale would be pushed back until 10am on Wednesday February 23rd and only tickets to the first three home games would be available to purchase. The reason given for the delay was that:

“Due to continued high demand for season tickets, Whitecaps FC have extended an exclusive window for season ticket holders to purchase single match tickets prior to tickets going on sale to the general public”.

A little late in communicating this fact but fair enough. You want to try and get as many packages sold for the entire season as you can and then open up the free for all for the single game tickets. No problems at all with that.

Some disagree with this decision, but as long as the season ticket holders aren’t planning on buying additional tickets to tout, I feel this was the right decision and a good perk for those that have shelled out for season tickets.

Most season ticket holders received an email on Friday afternoon advising them that they had an exclusive window to buy additional single game tickets for friends and family from 10am on Saturday until 10pm the day before the general sale begins this coming Wednesday. A special pre-sale access code was provided.

This though is then where the latest problems and concerns began.

Tickets for Toronto fans in their allocated “away” section are due to go on sale on Thursday February 24th (if this has subsequently changed, please let us know). Some TFC fans are worried about missing out or are wanting to finalise their trips but want to know that they definitely have a ticket first.

Many have talked about just trying to buy tickets in the general sale and the Southsiders Director of Events, who is repsonible for the group’s away travel plans, confirmed to AFTN that Toronto fans have been contacting him “like crazy” trying to get tickets for the match. Demand certainly seems to be higher than the 60 or so fans that the Caps FO think are going to be there to cheer on Toronto.

Many fans have been trying to find out the pre-sale code to get tickets even earlier and, somewhat worryingly, this code was easily found on a general football forum for anyone to use to buy tickets.

This is a huge to concern to both AFTN and the Southsiders. It should also be a big concern to the Whitecaps FO.

I’m not wanting any extra tickets for the first three matches, but I tried the pre-sale code just to see what it came up with. I was horrified that I could have bought 8 seats in my section of the Southside and not only that, there was no indication to anyone buying the tickets, whether they be Toronto fans or families, that this is in fact the supporters section of the stadium.

So basically, Toronto fans can buy tickets to anywhere in the ground and in blocks of up to 8 at a time as well. And they will, especially the BC based ones who aren’t members of the Red Patch Boys and U-Sector. Remember there has been trouble at the last couple of Voyageurs Cup matches at Swangard. If this method is not a disaster waiting to happen then I don’t know what is.

You can say I’m being a bit overdramatic but there’s none so blind as those who cannot see. I’m not a business expert in any way, shape or form. but my 20 years experience in it has taught me to always consider the worst case scenario. That’s what we have here.

ANY trouble at our opening game is not only going to affect Vancouver fans but also travelling fans league wide. It only takes two drunken idiots to start a big rammy. I hope it won’t happen and the best way to make sure that it doesn’t is proper ticket distribution.

Do the Caps want to see positive headlines about the coming of MLS or newspaper headlines screaming “Football hooliganism comes to Vancouver”?

Also, away from the TFC fans aspect of all this, I wouldn’t want to be the poor family or elderly couple that will now find themselves surrounded by an all singing, all dancing and all standing crowd in the Southside. Let’s just hope that the PNE security staff are properly briefed that this is what that section is.

I wonder what other ticketing trials and tribulations are going to occur in the next few weeks. I still haven’t received or been charged for my Cascadia Summit tickets and we have the whole season ticket distribution still to come. Call me foolish, but I believe that this will all go according to plan. I have to really, otherwise we’re going to have a very angry opening day line up at the will call windows.

It really is a shame that the marketing and media teams at the Caps are knocking themselves out with trying to raise the profile, promote the club and present a highly polished and professional image whilst at the same time the seemingly never ending ticketing clusterfucks are making the club look anything but ‘major league’.

Away Fans Ticketing Update – Communication Error Blamed For Confusion

Following on from our story on Sunday about the shambles surrounding Toronto fans getting tickets for the Caps home opener, we have an update.

Southsiders President, John Knox, has been in contact with Roberto Cabrone at the Whitecaps Front Office and he has confirmed that the section originally communicated to Toronto fans was incorrect and they are now likely to be in Sections 228 and 229 at the north end of the stadium and well away from the Southsiders.

It was also confirmed that the Southsiders will indeed be in the Southside of the stadium.

The sections now allocated to TFC fans (and we can assume all visiting supporters), looks to be in the non alcohol section, if things are kept at Empire as they are for BC Lions games. I’m sure that’s bound to please them! This is also likely to mean in amongst families, which is a bit strange in itself. Families who wanted to be at the opposite end of the stadium from the noise and language of the Southside, will now be beside visiting supporters and as an away fan, you always want to be louder and as obnoxious as possible to those roundabout you. Watch the complaints roll in.

The Caps FO are under the impression that we are only talking about 30 tickets here. From reading various TFC fans forums, and taking into account BC based TFC fans, I would say that we’re looking at much greater numbers than this. If any TFC fans could get in touch to confirm one way or the other, then that would be great.

Whilst it is good that this has now, apparently, been finally sorted out, the miscommunication is a worry and just raises more questions about exactly what kind of shambles the Whitecaps ticketing office is currently in.

They have confirmed that season ticket packages will be mailed by Purolator in the week leading up to the home opener, which doesn’t allow for much time if things go awry or are unable to be delivered to some fans.

The Southsiders are also organising a pick up event at the Lamplighter Pub on March 15th, and we strongly recommend this as the best option. You MUST RSVP in advance though, so please check out their website for more details.

More news on ticketing issues to follow…

Toronto Ticket Allocation For Season Opener Raises Raft Of Questions For Vancouver Fans

With less than five weeks to go now until the Whitecaps MLS era kicks off, questions are still arising about how the Caps Front Office are handling ticketing and some worrying news from out east is bound to raise a number of new questions amongst the Caps support.

There’s already a lot been written about the mess many fans faced when trying to buy their season tickets.

The Caps have been quiet on specific numbers of season tickets sold, but we are led to believe they’re happy with how things have gone. Now that the date has passed for payments of the final instalment on most people’s tickets, we’ll hopefully be able to get an accurate number from them.

Single game tickets are due to go on sale via Ticketmaster on Saturday 19th February at 10am PST. All games at Empire are currently showing as being available, but not the three games expected to be at BC Place, with prices ranging from $29.50 to $84.50 (which includes fees of $7.25). When we first checked the site on Friday, the highest prices tickets were being listed at a staggering $124.24, so at least that’s changed and must have been an entry error.

But what of the away support? Are they to buy their tickets this way or get a seperate allocation and what about us when we’re going to be away supporters?

Seattle and Portland fans have already been promised 500 tickets to the Cascadia Cup games in September and October. This is a while away of course and the first big away support is going to be for the opening match when Toronto’s U-Sector and Red Patch Boys will be making the journey to the west coast.

It’s not been an easy process for the Toronto fans dealing with the Whitecaps front office with regards to getting tickets for the game and the TFC fans are not being complimentary about how things have played out.

A U-Sector member told AFTN “The Whitecaps have been the hardest front office to deal with in terms of away tickets”. You have to feel a great deal of sympathy for them.

As soon as the fixture was announced, TFC fans starting making plans for the game, as indeed we would have if it had been the reverse, but this soon started to take a horrible turn for them. The U-Sector forum had this post from a member back in January.

Not allocating the supporters groups tickets or TFC fans an actual section would have been a recipe for trouble on the big day. Fans would have travelled anyway and would have been mixed in with Caps fans all over the stadium. Thankfully this isn’t the case.

After much wranglings back and forward, with the Toronto front office even having to get involved to get things done, parts of sections 213 and 214 at Empire have now been allocated to Toronto fans.

The Whitecaps haven’t brought out a seating plan for Empire yet (we’re only half joking when we say we’re expecting it after the first game!), but based on the Lions seating plan for last year, we’ve circled the section where the Toronto fans will be, according to the information on their sites.

Take a close look. Yup, you’re not reading that incorrectly, they’re going to be in the south-east corner of the stadium and that now raises one of three possibilities.

(1) The Toronto fans have been given the wrong section numbers

(2) The Caps front office are placing the Toronto support (and from that let’s just assume all visiting support) within literal spitting distance of the Southside

or that leaves one other option…

(3) The Southsiders are going to be in the Northside of the stadium at Empire

Let’s hope it’s option one and a miscommunication has been made somewhere along the line. Things do seem pretty firm at the Toronto end though as to where they’re going to be, but at this busy time, mistakes can get made.

If it’s option 2 or 3, then no-one is going to be happy and both seem insane thinking and planning to me.

Putting the TFC fans that close to the Southsiders is a recipe for trouble and could create a situation that would be used to beat the Southsiders, as a group, around the head with. Those sections are also situated close to families and will sandwich the TFC fans between the core Southsiders and the Prawnsiders (Southsider members who have chosen that section of the grandstand). It is also a bottleneck for entering and leaving your seat.

We need away support at the Caps games. We want away support at the Caps games. I personally would love to have the away support that close to us, so we can bait and taunt them for the 90 minutes like I’m used to back in the UK. This isn’t the UK though. There’s no segregation fence and any sniff of trouble would be disasterous for supporters groups throughout MLS. The fact that there is only one real entrance and walkway for both sets of fans at that end of the stadium would also be worrying.

For all those reasons and the fact that when I was having meetings with the Caps FO last year, they told us that they wanted away supporters as far away from the Southside as possible to avoid any sort of trouble, we have to rule the second option out.

That would leave option 3. One which would piss off the Southsiders no end and one I don’t want to speculate on until we know if it’s going to be the case or not. If the Caps did go with this option, let’s hope they’re prepared for the shitstorm that will follow.

Aside from the logistics of who’s going to be where and all the fall-out that could come from that, there’s another worrying aspect to the whole debacle. Take a look at the pricing and the restrictions that either the Caps FO or the MLS have imposed on Toronto fans travelling:

– Price per ticket is $35 (plus applicable fees and taxes)
– Tickets will be available to purchase on February 24 (that’s after fans can just pick up cheaper tickets elsewhere in the stadium from the general Ticketmaster sale)
– In the event that 50 or more people travel, a front office staff member from TFC is required to attend
– A list of everyones name who purchased tickets will be necessary

According to both the U-Sector and Red Patch Boys forums there were originally some other restrictions that they were looking to enforce. Curious as to what these were? Well here they are…

– Tickets must be purchased by calling front office directly and will require the information of each person assigned to each specific seat purchased
– Tickets are not transferable – ID will be required upon arrival
– Tickets will all be left at Will Call

It’s actually easier to emigrate here than go to a game!

The Red Patch Boys aren’t happy with what restrictions are being enforced. Commenting on their forum, their President Boris Aquilar said: Since late December the travel team has been gearing up for the new season with our trip to Vancouver. We have tossed around many ideas that would increase the number of RPBs and away supporters in attendance, however we are having a tough time getting co-operation from the ticket reps in Vancouver. It seems they do not have a supporter group plan in place.

We have been working with TFC front office in solving this, but were recently informed that MLS will require the information of each person assigned to each specific seat at the game. We were also told that if we have 50 or more supporters travelling on this trip, a front office staff member is required to travel with us.
We are not comfortable with any of this since it seems we are being faced with additional rules, making it difficult for us to plan a successful away trip to support our team
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Now, those restrictions that do remain make sense in some ways. When I’ve bought tickets for big games in the UK, my name is often printed on the ticket. If someone is coming with the intent of causing trouble (which I would hope is unlikely in Canada), then all they’ll do is buy their tickets elsewhere, so it’s not really going to stop that. We were also told last year that large groups of travelling supporters would require the respective club to provide security.

The big question from Boris’ comments though is do the Whitecaps have a plan for travelling supporters group and if not, why not?

We also have to wonder if these restrictions are going to be enforced on Caps fans travelling elsewhere. There’s a few games, especially the west coast ones, where we’re likely to have over 50 people travelling. This will be a pain in the ass for the Caps to have to provide someone from the FO to attend, especially if we organise a special non west coast trip. Of course, maybe it’s just because Toronto fans need a chaperone until they’re all grown up!

It’s expected, but not certain, that for the return leg TFC will offer Vancouver fans 150 tickets in a designated section as they always do. Their normal procedures would see them mailing the tickets out to a single representative of Vancouver supporters, and offer travellers a security escort into and out of the stadium.

This situation raise some other questions with regards to Caps fans travelling to other MLS stadiums. Are we going to have a seperate “away support” section at every stadium? How are we meant to buy tickets? (although I do know that the Southsiders are building up an excellent network of ticket reps at other MLS clubs). What other restrictions may be placed on us travelling to games?

With more and more travelling support becoming the norm in MLS, the clubs need to get their act together with this and quickly. There should be a standard league-wide policy. Creating the culture of away fans is what will give the MLS longevity and it’s important that the Whitecaps, and all of the MLS clubs, always have people that fully understand football supporters culture in the right jobs in the front office and especially in ticketing.

In the meantime, we need to find out a little more about what we’re actually going to be faced with at home first of all. I’m just going to be glad when March comes and we just have to worry about all of the stuff ON the pitch.